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8:31 pm
December 5, 2010
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Wendy
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Even though it looks like not too many people post here I thought I would still ask.
I was a Christian but always had doubts. Then after a life changing event happened I put my doubts to a close and said no more. Now my attitude about not believing is this. I have totally respect for all religions and the people who believe in them. ( accept those that use religion for evil of course) And all I want in return is the same respect. I've told all of my friends and family and everyone is cool with it and we have that back and forth respect. That makes me very happy. I'm moderate to conservative, pro choice, pro gun and pro freedom. I don't care if the word god is on the dollar bill or anyplace else. I refuse to push my views on others because I don't like their views pushed on me. I treat others the way I want to be treated. I'm interested in meeting others that think like me but I have no interest in becoming part of a movement to change others or our country. I really hate the Atheists that you see on tv all the time trying to change Christmas and take prayer out of the classroom, god off the dollar bill and all that politically correct crap. I don't care about any of that kind of stuff, I just don't care. It's not worth my time and it's doesn't agree with my view on life
So with all that out on the table, would I fit in with this group or not. I read much of what is on the site and watched some of the videos and just wasn't positive if I would fit in or not.
Thanks for reading my post
Wendy
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6:22 am
December 8, 2010
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JasonLYork
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Hi Wendy, welcome to our site!
PA Nonbelievers (PAN) members have a wide range of opinions. In general, atheists/agnostics/freethinkers/etc don't really agree on everything by nature because there's no doctrine or anything for them. The only thing they have in common is that they lack belief that gods exist. I would say the spectrum goes from people exactly like you who aren't interested in protesting or arguing about religion, to people that straight up hate religion and actively seek it's eradication. Most people are in between there somewhere.
The main thing is that we're all human, and that includes believers. My opinion is that every human being on the planet is simply trying their best to be happy. We may have different opinions about what choices will lead to that happiness, but in the end we're all seeking the same thing.
At our meetings, this variety of opinions is reflected. The folks who like to debate about philosophy or religion usually figure out who each other are and then they chat with each other. And the people that are interested in talking about other things end up chatting with like-minded people.
It's just like anywhere else, really. You'll make a stronger bond with the people you relate with more, and the others will give you things to talk about now and then. PAN is dedicated to protecting the separation of church and state. You don't have to get involved in things you aren't interested in though. However, I imagine that over time you'll think about things more and probably feel like "yeah, the government shouldn't force kids to pray in public school…that's unconstitutional." I'm not trying to convince you of anything, I just think as time goes on you'll keep thinking about things and asking yourself questions and eventually form some stances you don't have today. That's why most people end up in the middle of that spectrum I mentioned above.
Hope I helped. And even if you think we may be a bit more than you're comfortable with right now, remember we're always here if you change your mind and you are not alone! 
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9:31 pm
December 8, 2010
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Wendy
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I didn't mean that should make our kids pray I was thinking more along if a kid wants to pray before he eats his lunch, let him. Like you said, If that is what makes him happy just leave the kid alone. Don't punish the child for doing what makes him happy, that's just wrong.
That's what I think to. I just want everyone to be happy. I don't care what they worship, who they sleep with, ect. I have a friend who is wiccan and I heard some similar things in the one video that she worships. She's always talking about the sun and the moon and stuff like that.
I'm just me, Wendy. And every morning when I wake up I just want it to be a happy day. A day free of anger, conflict, yelling, fighting, ciaos, stress. I don't need any of that in my life. All it does is feed my axiety and it's like poison to me. I know there is a meeting tomorrow but I'll be recovering from a minor procedure I'm having in the morning. Maybe I'll trying another time but if I find it too stressful I may have to pass.
The biggest passion in my life right now is hiking. The peace and quiet of nature is everything to me.
I thank you for your response, I will defiantly think about it.
Wendy
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3:56 am
July 14, 2012
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Ashlee
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John Wolff is part of PA Non Believers, and he is actively trying to snuff out anything that looks remotely Christian. He filed a complaint against Prudhomme's Lost Cajun Kitchen in Columbia, PA because on Sunday's they offer a 10% discount to anyone who gives them a church program.
PANonBelievers say they believe in the separation of church and state, which as a Christian I ALSO believe in, but because I understand what separation of church and state actually means! Church, in this case, means the established church, like they have the Pope as head of the Catholic church. The organized "church" historically held hands with the government in England. Separation of church and state prevents ministers and high-ranking religious "officials" from telling the president what to do. Note that the word church is used, and not faith or religion. PANonBelievers do not understand this concept, as most Americans do not also. But if you want to be part of a group that advocates on such a level as to deprive Christians who love cajun food and 10% discounts, this is the group for you!
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4:12 pm
July 14, 2012
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Brian
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Ashlee said:
John Wolff is part of PA Non Believers, and he is actively trying to snuff out anything that looks remotely Christian. He filed a complaint against Prudhomme's Lost Cajun Kitchen in Columbia, PA because on Sunday's they offer a 10% discount to anyone who gives them a church program.
PANonBelievers say they believe in the separation of church and state, which as a Christian I ALSO believe in, but because I understand what separation of church and state actually means! Church, in this case, means the established church, like they have the Pope as head of the Catholic church. The organized "church" historically held hands with the government in England. Separation of church and state prevents ministers and high-ranking religious "officials" from telling the president what to do. Note that the word church is used, and not faith or religion. PANonBelievers do not understand this concept, as most Americans do not also. But if you want to be part of a group that advocates on such a level as to deprive Christians who love cajun food and 10% discounts, this is the group for you!
I've got two comments on this.
First, to clarify – John Wolff's complaint is NOT a complaint from this organization, however, we fully support that complaint.
Second – Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with public accommodation laws. There's no reason that anyone should be deprived of this discount – This discount, as you so clearly pointed out, selects Christians as a favored group in a public accommodation. You so succinctly made that clear in your own post when you claim that fixing the issue would be depriving *Christians*. That is not the case – The restaurant could clearly offer a discount in any publicly accessible way (Coupons, etc), or even a general 10% discount offered on Sunday morning. The law clearly states you cannot favor any particular religion, race, sex if you are going to run a business that caters to the general public.
Brian Fields
President
PA Nonbelievers, Inc.
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